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Offline Almqvist

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Re: Buck and ball
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2018, 02:19:07 pm »
Don't think so, were they even used in europe?

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Re: Buck and ball
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2018, 04:25:00 pm »
Perhaps the most famous proponent of the buck and ball loading was George Washington, who encouraged his troops to load their muskets with buck and ball loads during the American Revolution. It remained a standard issue ammunition type in the US Army through the Civil War, although European armies generally did not use buck and ball shot, considering it an unfair and dishonorable way of fighting.

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Re: Buck and ball
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2018, 06:42:03 pm »
Perhaps the most famous proponent of the buck and ball loading was George Washington, who encouraged his troops to load their muskets with buck and ball loads during the American Revolution. It remained a standard issue ammunition type in the US Army through the Civil War, although European armies generally did not use buck and ball shot, considering it an unfair and dishonorable way of fighting.

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Re: Buck and ball
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2018, 02:56:41 pm »
The Americans participated in the war of 1812. Therefore, they also refer to the Napoleonic wars.

In Europe, they preferred to load muskets with ball and ball.

Also, here is another interesting information on the thread: http://modernheritage.net/Scott_etal_2017.pdf

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Re: Buck and ball
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2018, 03:02:46 pm »
The Americans participated in the war of 1812. Therefore, they also refer to the Napoleonic wars.

In Europe, they preferred to load muskets with ball and ball.

Also, here is another interesting information on the thread: http://modernheritage.net/Scott_etal_2017.pdf
Who cares about the war of 1812...

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Re: Buck and ball
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2018, 03:20:58 pm »
Who cares about the napoleonic wars...

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Re: Buck and ball
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2018, 11:56:36 pm »
To be fair leave the European stage to the Europeans and let Wings and Tories be for these kind of features.

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Re: Buck and ball
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2018, 07:51:47 pm »




How did it happen that farmers armed with old muskets smashed a huge army of Zulu, and the British armed with the latest rifles and revolvers suffered a shameful defeat?

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Re: Buck and ball
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2018, 09:44:28 pm »
You do realise that the British won the Anglo-Zulu war right? Unless you're speaking of something else.

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Re: Buck and ball
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2018, 10:00:21 pm »
But if they are seriously considering bringing grenades into the game in some form why not alternate ammunition types at least for one of the three flavors of shock troops?

It is worth some form of considering.

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Re: Buck and ball
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2018, 10:23:11 pm »
I am pretty sure that the Russians were equipped with a few rounds of buck and ball.

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Re: Buck and ball
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2018, 10:47:33 pm »
You do realise that the British won the Anglo-Zulu war right? Unless you're speaking of something else.

This does not cancel the fact that the British suffered a shameful defeat having a huge technical advantage.

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Re: Buck and ball
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2018, 10:50:16 pm »
I am pretty sure that the Russians were equipped with a few rounds of buck and ball.

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"Коль скоро будут готовиться к делу, то долг всех офицеров и особливо ротных командиров есть тщательно осмотреть все ружья ... требовать, чтобы у солдата было, по крайней мере, еще два кремня в запасе; чтобы положенные 60 патронов были налицо и в исправно­сти и так уложены, чтобы солдат, вынимая из сумы, в деле не терял оных, как то часто случается...". "Когда есть у людей новозаведенная ружейная картечь, то кар­тежные патроны иметь особо от обыкновенных с пулями... Сия кар­течь предпочтительно употребляться должна в рассыпном фронте, в лесу, в деревнях, на близкой дистанции против кавалерии и особливо против неприятельских стрелков"...

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Re: Buck and ball
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2018, 11:19:17 pm »
You do realise that the British won the Anglo-Zulu war right? Unless you're speaking of something else.

This does not cancel the fact that the British suffered a shameful defeat having a huge technical advantage.

Supply issues caused the lines to run out of ammunition. Leadership issues caused strategic failures. "Huge" tech advantages aren't such a massive deciding factor in a battle. Compare Rourke's Drift to Isandlwana and you'll see the difference.

Back on topic though, I don't see what buck and ball add to the gameplay other than better chance to hit for one side. If buck and ball is added then cold Canadian winters which broke Kentucky morale should also be added.
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