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Offline Refleax

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Re: Melee suggestions/idea's, come share them here!
« Reply #150 on: October 31, 2017, 02:45:46 am »
When you take a knee, you cannot switch from bayonet to musket and vice versa. This is incredibly annoying as sometimes in first person i forgot i was kneeling and got pissed why my bayonet would not come out.

Yes, indeed. That's something we need to work on along with other improvements to melee combat.

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Re: Melee suggestions/idea's, come share them here!
« Reply #151 on: November 27, 2017, 08:05:13 pm »
Any notice how Flag bearers tend to go on rampages with that thing? I'm not sure what it is but the flag is doing more work than most bayonets.

(also seconding the ability to switch into melee from crouch. Happens to me all the time.)

Yes flags are somehow killers in a way I have yet to fully understand. I have been killed by them even though I was past the point of the flagpole and right up against them. Honestly I don't see the point of having them be a weapon (I prefer them as a buff) as flag bearers already have weapons don't they?

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Re: Melee suggestions/idea's, come share them here!
« Reply #152 on: December 03, 2017, 04:00:39 am »

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Re: Melee suggestions/idea's, come share them here!
« Reply #153 on: December 17, 2017, 09:50:03 am »
Attack and block animations should not depend on the server, and instead trigger immediately when the player presses a button. It helps the player to control over the character with more comfort while the process of adapting to a ping would still be the same.

Now I am gonna present some debatable suggestions since I believe the combat should not be a copy cat of M&B's combat:
1. I am fine with the current spinning speed. You punish the player for missing, keep that. No need people spinning all the time. However, perhaps allow the player spin fast if blocking?
2. When blocking an attack, let the attacker be stunned a little longer but allow him to move to at least dodge attacks.
3. Improve chambering, I haven't tested as I don't have good testing grounds but I believe a "ping-pong" situation where players chamber each other should be possible. That can be accomplished by allowing more chamber control: You decide if you want to release to attack, or stop the "ping pong" to go for a block. Congrats, we just created a rock-paper-scissors game, except it's attack-block-chamber.
4. Related to 2: as a blocker, perhaps gain small damage bonus for a successful block? Special animation for that?
5. a. Add a stock strike to stun a player who's turtling (blocking all the time and not moving). Very short range but degree angel would be about 170.
5. b. If not stock strike, than a kick. Range to whatever you think might be right here, I'd still recommend short, and obviously angel would be the aim.
5. c. Add both, but stock strike will be available only for short barrels and pistols (as elbow strikes). This kinda gets a mechanic that is similar to the grappling mechanic in fighting games. Recovery rate after such strike should depend on the weapon (in other words, long recovery for muskets if you include it for it)
6. Not sure if it exists already, but bonus damage for offensive gameplay. More damage when charging into enemy.
7. More action-canceling moments to create confusion. Maybe this already exists, but it's hard for me to notice (or "feel") due ping.

Mechanics for crouching in melee combat: (easier to mix crouch into combat if crouch is not toggled)
1. To use it to dodge upper stabs, allow crouching while moving and allow it to be "canceled" in middle of crouching so you can immediately stand up if you decide to do so in the middle of that action.
2. If kicking added, allow to do it while crouched.

The reason I think crouching should be used in combat is because it would work similarly to double tapping a button in other fighting games to dodge, except in this case you don't double tap and do it yourself more actively (which also means the attacked might also still hit you). Double tapping would suck, but this mechanic would add more variety to combat.

I believe most of the things I added above would work well if you also make it possible for the player to cancel or combine (mix) their actions at will, unless a certain time passes. It makes the fighting more dynamic.

P.S Sorry for the grammar mistakes, each time I read my own post I find more and more mistakes. If something's not clear, I'd happily rephrase it.
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Re: Melee suggestions/idea's, come share them here!
« Reply #154 on: January 01, 2018, 07:08:56 pm »
Why bayonets / sabers began to kill with one blow? Is this what you call a good balance?
Getting stabed and slashed kind of.. hurts..

agreed. no tanks please. besides if you let them in melee range, you screwed up already.

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Re: Melee suggestions/idea's, come share them here!
« Reply #155 on: January 13, 2018, 07:16:20 am »
A few ideas

1) melee should be 1st hold a button will let you use your bayonet, then releasing will give you a very inaccurate hip fire shot for a few second then as the musket is brought up to the shoulder it returns to normal. 2nd pressing a second button will let you use a do or die bayonet attack (similar to battlefield 1) with slightly increased speed and highly reduced accuracy

2) (not about melee) when reloading (musket only) you should be able to skip the ram rod part and just tap it to go down (however if you aim down it will miss fire)(also making the musket less accurate), 2nd when you reload the proper way you should have the ability of firing when half finished reloading (going off half-cocked) giving you reduced accuracy
and the never being able to use it again in that life.

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Re: Melee suggestions/idea's, come share them here!
« Reply #156 on: January 23, 2018, 03:12:26 pm »
I feel that the biggest current issue with melee is the delay between releasing your right mouse button and the attack animation playing. I'm not sure if this delay is due to latency or if there are unnecessary frames in the attack animation.

I believe that it's probably due to the latter, because everything else feels very responsive (except for reloading and switching from firing to melee, which sometimes takes two key presses to register).

Responsiveness should be paramount, everything else will follow suit. Thank you for reading.

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Re: Melee suggestions/idea's, come share them here!
« Reply #157 on: January 26, 2018, 11:57:45 am »
I would still prefer an inverse attack direction option, I still get mixed up between doing left and right swings and doing an upper stab when you mean to do a lower one and vice versa can be annoying.

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Re: Melee suggestions/idea's, come share them here!
« Reply #158 on: January 26, 2018, 06:45:20 pm »
This might have been suggested before, but I'd love to see some units (Naval comes to mind) with hatchets/axes. Perhaps with the ability to do damage to structures or ships?

Just a thought. :)

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« Reply #159 on: February 12, 2018, 01:55:24 am »
The melee as it stands doesn't "feel" like it does in Napoleonic Wars, which is very jarring. I'm not used to having to wind up before and after I let go of my mouse. Is NW's standard for melee a goal as far as the devs are concerned?

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Re: Melee suggestions/idea's, come share them here!
« Reply #160 on: February 12, 2018, 03:16:45 am »
The melee as it stands doesn't "feel" like it does in Napoleonic Wars, which is very jarring. I'm not used to having to wind up before and after I let go of my mouse. Is NW's standard for melee a goal as far as the devs are concerned?
I would think so, considering how they're going for a directional combat system.

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Re: Melee suggestions/idea's, come share them here!
« Reply #161 on: March 23, 2018, 12:50:12 pm »
Nerf Austro

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« Reply #162 on: March 23, 2018, 02:50:12 pm »

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Re: Melee suggestions/idea's, come share them here!
« Reply #163 on: March 23, 2018, 06:25:55 pm »


What are you talking about

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Re: Melee suggestions/idea's, come share them here!
« Reply #164 on: June 12, 2018, 04:54:49 am »
The combat since the server latency fix has been improved. However, the combat is still very clunky and hitboxes very small, the hitboxes are very accurate around the character, don't get me wrong. However, because bayonets are so accurate when thrusting you'll most likely miss alot. Swords are very bias in Holdfast, and have super quick swing animations. Can we do something about this?

Yes, indeed! We will be working on a new set of sword animations. The hitbox will also be looked into.

What about the overall speed/delay of blocks and attacks with a bayonet? :)

I agree with this, I think the hitboxes and the delay of attacks/blocks makes it very clunky and awkward. It's not a fluid motion, and I believe it's far too slow to have a proper fight.