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Title: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: NiPhix on July 27, 2017, 07:18:11 pm
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Kingdom of Portugal - Reino de Portugal

Overview

The history of the kingdom of Portugal and the Algarves, from the First Treaty of San Ildefonso and the beginning of the reign of Queen Maria I in 1777, to the end of the Liberal Wars in 1834, spans a complex historical period in which several important political and military events led to the end of the absolutist regime and to the installation of a constitutional monarchy in the country.

In 1807, Napoleon ordered the invasion of Portugal and subsequently the royal family and its entire court migrated to Brazil, Maria I declaring the United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves in 1816. This would be one of the causes for the declaration of Brazilian independence by Pedro I of Brazil in 1822, following a liberal revolution in Portugal.

The liberal period was stormy and short as Prince Michael of Portugal (Pedro's brother) supported an absolutist revolution endeavoring to restore all power to the monarchy. Pedro eventually returned to Portugal and fought and defeated his brother in the Liberal Wars in which liberalism prevailed and Portugal became a constitutional monarchy.

About the Peninsular War

Warning a lots of text inside, - Source Wikipedia
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The Napoleonic Wars faction Portugal was not used in the NW DLC or any other mod as far as I know of only one not updated mod by Viriathus I believe. It would be fun to have this faction in the game together with the other suggested faction Spain as the Holdfast game really gives a peninsular war feeling.

Here are some Troops of the Portuguese army.

Portuguese Caçadores
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Portuguese; 21st Infantry Regt, Drummer 1806-98. 24th Infantry Regiment, Captain, 6th Infantry Regiment, Grenadier, 1806-08
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Corporal light coy , 9th infantry regt, 1810-15, Drum-maj, 2nd infantry regt, 1810-15, Sub-Lieutenant, 11th infantry regt, 1810-15
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My favorite Portuguese infantry units the 8th Line Infantry regiment
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11th Regiment, Portuguese Cavalry
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Portuguese Artillery
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Sincerely  I think Portugal didn't play the same rol as Spain or the Brittish and I consider it as Minor nation at this time, for this I don't think Portugal should be added in the game firstly.

I think the nations in the game must be France, United Kingdom, Austria, Russia, Prussia and Spain. Maybe some portuguese troops in the british faction.
DISCLAIMER: Im a Portuguese, so of course I would like to see Portugal in the game. I have studied the Portuguese role during the Peninsular War for 4 years now.
I agree with you that Portugal and Spain should be added in a later stage of the game. But if Spain is in the game it would be stupid to not have Portugal in it too.

So what did Portugal do during the Peninsular War and Napoleonic Wars??
  • 1807 - Napoleon is making the Continental Blockade on Britain, all European countries joined the Blockade. Only one didn't, and went against Napoleon. Guess who.... Portugal.
  • November 1807 - The Peninsular War started by Spain giving free access to the French army, so Spain and France could invade Portugal together. (some say the war started in 1808 when Napoleon invaded Spain, but it started when he invaded Portugal in 1807, because Portugal is in the Peninsula... so its the Peninsular War).
  • January-February 1808 - The Portuguese Army was disbanded and made into the French Portuguese Legion, which followed Napoleon to Russia, and was given the nickname "The Black Legion" by Napoleon himself, because of how hard they fought. From the around 50 000-60 000 strong army, only half or less actually joined the Legion. The months after there were demonstrations and fights in various Portuguese cities against the French.
  • 2 May 1808 - the 2 de Mayo revolt happened in Madrid, Spain which revolting spirit also reached Portugal in June.
  • June-July 1808 - The Spanish army in northern and southern Portugal went back to Spain to fight the French, this allowed revolts in north and southern Portugal to happen and a reorganisation of the Army. In late July France only had control of the territory close to the Tagus river.
  • Early August 1808 - Wellington disembarked with an army of around 12 000 soldiers in Portugal, because it was the SAFEST place in the Peninsula to start an invasion. Later he united forces with the Portuguese Northern Army, which made the Anglo-Portuguese Army around 20 000 soldiers strong.(I will call Arthur Wellesley, Wellington even though he wasnt Duke yet, for simplicity sake)
  • Late August 1808 - The Anglo-Portuguese Army fought two battles against the French. On 30th August 1808, the British and French made a peace treaty.
  • March 1809 - France invaded Portugal for the second time from the north. Realising they couldnt win alone the Portuguese retreated to the south,
     letting the French take the cities north of the Douro River.
  • July 1809 - The Anglo-Portuguese army made the French retreat back to Galicia. After this Wellington focused on getting the Franch out of the Spanish province of Andalucia.
  • September 1809 - The Lines of Torres Vedras were started. They were 3 lines of defences on the mounatins north of Lisbon
  • December 1809 - General Massena is given 65 000 soldiers to invade Portugal for a third time. Wellington retreated back to Portugal, because if Portugal fell, the Peninsular War would be ended with a French victory.
  • July 1810 - The French invade Portugal a third time.
  • Ocotber 1810 - The Anglo Portuguese Army retreats to the finished Lines of Torres Vedras. The French try to fight thorugh it, but fail. So they make camp outside of it. Due to not having enough supplies they retreat in April 1811 back to Spain.
I could go on doing this list...

Spain did also have a major role in the Peninsular War and the Napoleonic War no doubt about that. But you cant compare the two countries. And if you do I would say compared to its size and problems, Portugal did a great job expelling the French out of Portugal, before the British came. The British only came, when they knew the French were away, and it was safe to disembark vast amounts of troops.

During the rest of the Peninsular War, Portuguese and British forces fought alongside eachother from Spain to France, the Anglo-Portuguese army was over 90 000 soldiers strong; 55 000 British soldiers and 35 000 Portuguese soldiers. They might not be mentioned much in the history books written by the British and French, but they were there and they fought hard. Wellington called the Portuguese Cazadores the "Fighting Cocks" due to their ferocity and colour of their uniform. The Portuguese regiments were nearly alwasy put in the middle of the battles or first in the sieges, so they took the biggest blows, and then came the British and took the glory. The winner writes the history.

Portugal was one of the biggest empires at this time, and it was definitely a force to be reckoned with
Portugal was a big empire yes, but it was a trade empire, not a militaristic empire. Since the 1755 earthquake it was on its downfall, during the Peninsular War when the Portuguese court moved to Brazil in 1808, Portugal was a poor place. The military had been robbed of all their weapons, cannons and horses in 1808 by the French and 3 invasions really make a country stop in time. The consequences of the Peninsular War were huge in Portugal and Spain, the amount of destruction put the two countries far back in time. The Industrial Revolution never came to Portugal and it barely came to Spain too.

SUMMARY: To sum it up, Portugal had a big role in the Peninsular War. The British couldnt have fought the French alone, they needed the Portuguese army too, and Wellington acknowledged that, just by retreating back to Portugal in 1810 to form the Anglo-Portuguese Army. Portugal is a mountainous country and for an outside force to invade there are only two routes; the Central route next to the Tagus river or the Alentejo route. If you are in control of them, you can disembark as many troops as you want, that is what Wellington learned and that was what he did. At the end of the Napoleonic Wars at the Congress of Vienna there were 3 diplomats from Portugal but only one from Spain. Both countries were classified as minor powers.

There might be some errors here and there, because Ive just written this on the run, but mostly is correct. Im open to discuss more :P


Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Napoleonic Wars on July 27, 2017, 07:19:21 pm
Portugal and Spain are a must have!
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: NiPhix on July 27, 2017, 07:19:55 pm
Portugal and Spain are a must have!

Yes :)
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Napoleonic Wars on July 27, 2017, 07:32:21 pm
Loyal Lusitanian Legion

Leal Legião Lusitana

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cpBSlzgnJJY/U1t7QsABzFI/AAAAAAAAGUw/Ladxl9EODGg/s1600/LLL.jpg)

The LLL included not only Portuguese, but also British (including its commanding officer, colonel Robert Thomas Wilson) and Germans.

My favorite Portuguese unit.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: SwydeBarca on July 28, 2017, 03:39:07 am
Really like the idea of focusing on the Peninsula War first. It gives a bit of background to the changes being made and it is an excellent excuse at adding 2 very important factions that didn't make it to NW (Spain and Portugal)

You have my total support for both :D
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Don_Francisco on July 28, 2017, 04:18:11 am
Sincerely  I think Portugal didn't play the same rol as Spain or the Brittish and I consider it as Minor nation at this time, for this I don't think Portugal should be added in the game firstly.

I think the nations in the game must be France, United Kingdom, Austria, Russia, Prussia and Spain. Maybe some portuguese troops in the british faction.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Jackson on July 28, 2017, 04:43:04 am
Prussia was also a minor nation relatively little importance, but a lot of people want them to be added.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Don_Francisco on July 28, 2017, 05:09:01 am
Prussia was also a minor nation relatively little importance, but a lot of people want them to be added.
Man don't compare the Prussian military power with the Portuguese at this time. It's true that the Prussian Army at this time was obsoleted and antiquated, but Prussia took a great rol in wars of the Sixth And Seventh Coalition defeating the French in the Battles of Leipzig (1813) and Waterloo (1815). And the prestige obtained in the XVIII Century by Prussia (with Frederick the Great) in the 7 years war defeating Austria and annexing Silesia, the Pomeranian war, the war of the Austrian Succession, etc. You know, the Prussian discipline.

But I don't know what time of the war are pretended by the developers to be recreated.  :P
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: NiPhix on July 28, 2017, 09:25:22 am
To be honest Portugal wasnt a minor faction. It really fought hard against France together with the UK. The did significant damage to the French army in the peninsula.

Wellingtons words

"From all I have learned of the state of the enemy's force at present in the Peninsula, I am of opinion that unless the Spanish armies should meet with misfortune, the enemy could not make an attack upon Portugal; and [that] if events in Spain should enable the enemy to make such an attack, the force at present in Portugal is able to defend that country. If in consequence of the peace in Germany the enemy's army in the Peninsula should be reinforced, it is obvious that the enemy will acquire the means of attacking Portugal... in this case I conceive that till Spain shall have been conquered... the enemy will find it difficult, if not impossible, to obtain possession of Portugal."


"The unevenness of the ground caused the head of the columns to waver and made their weapons jingle, and this attracted the attention of our advanced outposts... We awaited their approach, and as soon as they opened the attack we threw hand grenades amongst them.... The Spaniards lost a large number of killed, wounded and... prisoners; on our side no one had a scratch. Next day the enemy ran up the white flag... I accorded them the honours of war. The garrison laid down their arms and remained prisoners; out of respect for their bravery the officers retained their swords."


Portugal had fearsome soldiers that fought together with the British forces. They have enough units to form their own faction.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Doperade on July 28, 2017, 01:05:57 pm
Portugal was one of the biggest empires at this time, and it was definitely a force to be reckoned with

as a portuguese man myself, i fully support this
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: NiPhix on July 28, 2017, 01:07:32 pm
Portugal was one of the biggest empires at this time, and it was definitely a force to be reckoned with

as a portuguese man myself, i fully support this

My bae is aliiiiveee  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Viriathus on July 28, 2017, 01:51:08 pm
Sincerely  I think Portugal didn't play the same rol as Spain or the Brittish and I consider it as Minor nation at this time, for this I don't think Portugal should be added in the game firstly.

I think the nations in the game must be France, United Kingdom, Austria, Russia, Prussia and Spain. Maybe some portuguese troops in the british faction.
DISCLAIMER: Im a Portuguese, so of course I would like to see Portugal in the game. I have studied the Portuguese role during the Peninsular War for 4 years now.
I agree with you that Portugal and Spain should be added in a later stage of the game. But if Spain is in the game it would be stupid to not have Portugal in it too.

So what did Portugal do during the Peninsular War and Napoleonic Wars??
I could go on doing this list...

Spain did also have a major role in the Peninsular War and the Napoleonic War no doubt about that. But you cant compare the two countries. And if you do I would say compared to its size and problems, Portugal did a great job expelling the French out of Portugal, before the British came. The British only came, when they knew the French were away, and it was safe to disembark vast amounts of troops.

During the rest of the Peninsular War, Portuguese and British forces fought alongside eachother from Spain to France, the Anglo-Portuguese army was over 90 000 soldiers strong; 55 000 British soldiers and 35 000 Portuguese soldiers. They might not be mentioned much in the history books written by the British and French, but they were there and they fought hard. Wellington called the Portuguese Cazadores the "Fighting Cocks" due to their ferocity and colour of their uniform. The Portuguese regiments were nearly alwasy put in the middle of the battles or first in the sieges, so they took the biggest blows, and then came the British and took the glory. The winner writes the history.

Portugal was one of the biggest empires at this time, and it was definitely a force to be reckoned with
Portugal was a big empire yes, but it was a trade empire, not a militaristic empire. Since the 1755 earthquake it was on its downfall, during the Peninsular War when the Portuguese court moved to Brazil in 1808, Portugal was a poor place. The military had been robbed of all their weapons, cannons and horses in 1808 by the French and 3 invasions really make a country stop in time. The consequences of the Peninsular War were huge in Portugal and Spain, the amount of destruction put the two countries far back in time. The Industrial Revolution never came to Portugal and it barely came to Spain too.

SUMMARY: To sum it up, Portugal had a big role in the Peninsular War. The British couldnt have fought the French alone, they needed the Portuguese army too, and Wellington acknowledged that, just by retreating back to Portugal in 1810 to form the Anglo-Portuguese Army. Portugal is a mountainous country and for an outside force to invade there are only two routes; the Central route next to the Tagus river or the Alentejo route. If you are in control of them, you can disembark as many troops as you want, that is what Wellington learned and that was what he did. At the end of the Napoleonic Wars at the Congress of Vienna there were 3 diplomats from Portugal but only one from Spain. Both countries were classified as minor powers.

There might be some errors here and there, because Ive just written this on the run, but mostly is correct. Im open to discuss more :P
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: NiPhix on July 28, 2017, 02:34:03 pm
Exactly.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Viriathus on July 28, 2017, 02:45:01 pm
Exactly.
lol
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: NiPhix on July 28, 2017, 02:46:20 pm
I should include your explanation into the Main post if I may.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Viriathus on July 28, 2017, 02:47:23 pm
I should include your explanation into the Main post if I may.
Yea go ahead
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: NiPhix on July 28, 2017, 02:50:01 pm
Nice thanks. :)
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Mrbutter101 on August 10, 2017, 02:58:52 am
Yes adding Portugal as a faction would ad more depth to the game but It should be added after all the major nations are added Russia Prussia eat.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: SwydeBarca on August 10, 2017, 03:47:47 am
I think we should stop putting the spotlight on the big, over-used nations like Austria, Prussia, Russia, etc, and focus more on the medium-ish nations like Spain, Sweden, Portugal, Denmark, etc. I like the big nations particularly Russia, but these smaller nations are so interested yet don't get the attention that they deserve.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: CyanKeso on August 10, 2017, 11:40:27 am
The problem with smaller nations is a lack of sources about them. For example, we have a huge amount of drawings, paintings, equipment etc. for France and UK. If we want the whole faction we need the whole roster from private to colonel with epaulets buttons and all details of uniforms. Then we need at least few regiments to make a faction so we need even more of those.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Jackson on August 10, 2017, 12:15:43 pm
Buddy, I got reference for every nation coming out of my ears.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Mendoza on August 10, 2017, 12:44:17 pm
Realy?  :o ofc it is very interesting to have regiments and nations wich are not often part of a game, but the "overused" regular nations should always be a part of a game in that timelime. It is also an selling argument for the less history interested guys to fight on a side they read in a regular history book, not one of spain or portugal...  :P  :P  :P overused from my view not true if there is only a hand full of games in that timeline.

Why spain? Why portugal? That much guys from there? Or peoples wich watched "Richard Sharpe"? Sure it is interesting but more than a european campain with russia austria and prussia, or the battles there?
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Sinjide on August 10, 2017, 12:54:47 pm
I personally believe Prussia, Russia and Austria are way more interesting.

The game isn't even out, and yet everyone would like to add his own faction, while I think a standard would be to add the major ones first.  :D
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: CyanKeso on August 10, 2017, 12:58:36 pm
I think devs should focus on coding first than adding factions :*
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Sinjide on August 10, 2017, 01:01:07 pm
I think devs should focus on coding first than adding factions :*

Yup, there is indeed much to do before.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Mendoza on August 10, 2017, 08:24:52 pm
I think devs should focus on coding first than adding factions :*

True thing! The most important is a fast work on the melee and shooting physics and the main maps for release the game fast in an early acess phase as they said and after that step by step new stuff we all waiting for. There is a lot of discussions about diffrent things for the game what should be or not should be. But after all i want to play a game with the main physics in near future and i will pay for it.   8)
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: SwydeBarca on August 11, 2017, 04:41:10 pm
Why spain? Why portugal? That much guys from there? Or peoples wich watched "Richard Sharpe"? Sure it is interesting but more than a european campain with russia austria and prussia, or the battles there?

Well, the main issue I have with the big players is that they are used so often it becomes boring. I love Russia, but if I want to play it I can go on NW, L'Aigle, Fire & Sword, Napoleon: TW, etc.

I would like to see some of the less seen nations. Also, Spain isn't an obscure or unpopular country. Habsburg Spain was the most powerful country of its time. At the time of the Napoleonic Wars, it had the biggest colonial empire by far, and the spanish Armada was one of the strongest in the world, along with the British and the Dutch. Its armies were impressive, and it is still remembered today as one of the great powers of the Europe. I would definetely put it against Austria or even Prussia.

I personally believe Prussia, Russia and Austria are way more interesting.

The game isn't even out, and yet everyone would like to add his own faction, while I think a standard would be to add the major ones first.  :D

Same argument as before. Prussia, Russia and Austria are very interesting countries for sure (especially Russia <3 ), but they are used to often it gets sickening. Give peace small nations a chance.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: CyanKeso on August 11, 2017, 04:50:35 pm
Why spain? Why portugal? That much guys from there? Or peoples wich watched "Richard Sharpe"? Sure it is interesting but more than a european campain with russia austria and prussia, or the battles there?

Well, the main issue I have with the big players is that they are used so often it becomes boring. I love Russia, but if I want to play it I can go on NW, L'Aigle, Fire & Sword, Napoleon: TW, etc.

I would like to see some of the less seen nations. Also, Spain isn't an obscure or unpopular country. Habsburg Spain was the most powerful country of its time. At the time of the Napoleonic Wars, it had the biggest colonial empire by far, and the spanish Armada was one of the strongest in the world, along with the British and the Dutch. Its armies were impressive, and it is still remembered today as one of the great powers of the Europe. I would definetely put it against Austria or even Prussia.

I personally believe Prussia, Russia and Austria are way more interesting.

The game isn't even out, and yet everyone would like to add his own faction, while I think a standard would be to add the major ones first.  :D

Same argument as before. Prussia, Russia and Austria are very interesting countries for sure (especially Russia <3 ), but they are used to often it gets sickening. Give peace small nations a chance.


I want to see good game mechanics with well animated 2 factions than having 20 factions of handicapped, disabled monsters from the depths of hell.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: SwydeBarca on August 11, 2017, 06:37:04 pm
I want to see good game mechanics with well animated 2 factions than having 20 factions of handicapped, disabled monsters from the depths of hell.

See my reply there

http://www.holdfastgame.com/forum/index.php?topic=1259.0
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: cyberlegend on August 16, 2017, 07:19:37 pm
kingdom of portugal???? more like kingdom of POORtugal lmaoooooo
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Jackson on August 16, 2017, 07:32:21 pm
I'll have to consult the handbook to see if I can ban people for puns.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Garrel on August 17, 2017, 02:19:38 am
I do indeed like the sound of having both Portugal and Spain placed into Holdfast.

Certainly would make me happy. xd
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: cyberlegend on August 17, 2017, 07:23:22 pm
I'll have to consult the handbook to see if I can ban people for puns.
the public outcry would be massive; I wouldnt risk it
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Don_Francisco on August 20, 2017, 09:29:54 pm
kingdom of portugal???? more like kingdom of POORtugal lmaoooooo
LOOL hahah
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Zahari on August 24, 2017, 03:11:32 pm
If we are talking about peninsular war we need Poland too. I mean Duchy of Warsaw ofc. Many Polish troops fought there with success.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Don_Francisco on August 26, 2017, 01:41:20 am
If we are talking about peninsular war we need Poland too. I mean Duchy of Warsaw ofc. Many Polish troops fought there with success.
Yeah, also bavaria, wurtemberg, Saxony... Cmon We just need major factions.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Garrel on August 26, 2017, 03:01:37 am
Don't think they'll add all these factions or minor factions in.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Mendoza on August 26, 2017, 08:39:33 pm
If we are talking about peninsular war we need Poland too. I mean Duchy of Warsaw ofc. Many Polish troops fought there with success.
Yeah, also bavaria, wurtemberg, Saxony... Cmon We just need major factions.

word

for me is portugal and spain okay because they had on the same times a guerilla warfare on their ground, and yes it is interesting. but the main faction are in fact others. and it should be first them, and then in kind of a campain this ones.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: NiPhix on August 26, 2017, 08:56:29 pm
If we are talking about peninsular war we need Poland too. I mean Duchy of Warsaw ofc. Many Polish troops fought there with success.
Yeah, also bavaria, wurtemberg, Saxony... Cmon We just need major factions.
I'm sorry but no Spain without Portugal. :)
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Knightmare on August 28, 2017, 08:31:09 am
Shouldn't Austria be added before any other faction?They were the first ones to try and fight Napoleon,failed most of the time but still quite the important side of the war.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: NiPhix on August 28, 2017, 08:36:24 am
I wouldnt mind having the popular factions first (France, Britain, Austria, Prussia and Russia). Could be nice if they just implement nations in the game we haven't got to play as in Napoleonic Wars. Of course after the main factions.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Toffee on August 28, 2017, 08:46:59 pm
I think for a full blown game (as opposed to just a DLC like NW) it would be good to have a lot of the minors which participated in the Napoleonic Wars. However I also think it's important for the developers to focus on properly implementing the big name players first e.g France, UK, Prussia, Austria and the Russians.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Lorucas on August 28, 2017, 09:04:47 pm
I would like to see Spain, Portugal and Italy, all these countries had some role when Napoleon still lived and they fighted vs him
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Garrel on August 28, 2017, 09:32:26 pm
There may be a chance in the future that these factions may come and be introduced.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Lorucas on August 28, 2017, 09:46:08 pm
There may be a chance in the future that these factions may come and be introduced.

God hear u  ::)
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Andee on August 29, 2017, 05:30:16 am
IIRC didn't Portugal completely shit the bed during the Peninsular War?
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: NiPhix on August 29, 2017, 09:20:16 am
IIRC didn't Portugal completely shit the bed during the Peninsular War?
read the main thread properly again
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Andee on August 30, 2017, 04:30:06 am
IIRC didn't Portugal completely shit the bed during the Peninsular War?
read the main thread properly again

TBH I didn't read it in the first place and I'm assuming what I said was already addressed in the thread, lol my bad
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: NiPhix on August 30, 2017, 08:06:07 am
You are a real 1 m8
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Viriathus on September 15, 2017, 05:58:26 pm
bump?  ;D
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Mercuri on September 18, 2017, 03:54:34 pm
Gretings from a spaniard! I believe that Portugal and Spain will be a good expansion for the game. Yes we all know that Prussia, Austria and Russia were very important factions but, aren't these too? Isn't the peninsular campaing/war important in the Napoleonic Era?

Ps: I think that this flag is the propper one of the era:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Flag_of_Portugal_%281750%29.svg/900px-Flag_of_Portugal_%281750%29.svg.png)
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Mendoza on September 18, 2017, 04:35:47 pm
Propaganda machine.. nice.
At the moment there are only 9 regiments registred on spanish forum, and !2! regiments in the portuguese language part of this forum? and you want to set highest priority on this 2 factions? or do you just want to implement it after other things and factions. i think they should be implemented, but they are not the base for the existing nw regiments wich would like to start in this new fresh game.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Lorucas on September 20, 2017, 01:58:04 pm
Propaganda machine.. nice.
At the moment there are only 9 regiments registred on spanish forum, and !2! regiments in the portuguese language part of this forum? and you want to set highest priority on this 2 factions? or do you just want to implement it after other things and factions. i think they should be implemented, but they are not the base for the existing nw regiments wich would like to start in this new fresh game.

Oke maybe there are not many regiments in the forums, but the Spanish community is very large and in NW has been able to verify, as for the Portuguese community I can not say anything because I barely know it but since I was not in NW I wish there were Spanish and Portuguese troops in this game  :'( :'(
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Charles Caldwell on September 20, 2017, 02:19:12 pm
Portugal, Britain's oldest Ally must be included.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Lorucas on September 20, 2017, 02:26:32 pm
Portugal, Britain's oldest Ally must be included.

And the Spanish tooo  :'( :'(
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Viriathus on September 21, 2017, 10:34:04 am
Propaganda machine.. nice.
At the moment there are only 9 regiments registred on spanish forum, and !2! regiments in the portuguese language part of this forum? and you want to set highest priority on this 2 factions? or do you just want to implement it after other things and factions. i think they should be implemented, but they are not the base for the existing nw regiments wich would like to start in this new fresh game.
I see your point and its good someone says it. But the Peninsular War is a great scenario for Holdfast; the British landings on Portuguese coast with furthers soldiers, the capture of a French squadron in Cadiz after a coastal engagement, the Coruña and Vigo evacuation, the Romana Division evacuation (I know it was in Denmark, but still counts as Peninsular War, in my opinion) and the overall supply of ammunition from Britain to the Iberian Peninsula, which was targetted by raiders at sea but also when nearing the coast. And if you want to put the Battle of Trafalgar in there, you have one of the most famous naval battles in history. (even though it was in 1805, 2 years before the Peninsular War)

Now you say there aren't many regiments in those factions at the moment. In NW the majority was also British and French, and if people get to know how many regiments Spain and Portugal had, and how many other irregular and guerrilla forces there were, they will also find it quite interesting to play I think.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: NiPhix on September 21, 2017, 10:38:43 am
nvm
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Lorucas on September 21, 2017, 11:06:18 am
I'm with u Viriathus, the Peninsular War was an important part on the Napoleonic era. That's why I would like to see the Spanish and Portuguese troops and factions on this game  :D
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Mendoza on September 21, 2017, 11:21:09 am
I'm with u Viriathus, the Peninsular War was an important part on the Napoleonic era. That's why I would like to see the Spanish and Portuguese troops and factions on this game  :D

If 4 guys repeat that very often makes it not more important. Devs told yesterday that they post an roadmap, so we will se what they think its important.

Peninsular campaign is indeed interesting, but a very specific terrain. After the game for now goes a very broad spectrum, it would be a shame change the direction and goes specific to an peninsular theme. A lot of diffrent factions, inclusive Portugal and Spain should be a target but that needs a lot of time for every faction. If the game selling good, we all have the chance to get our stuff in there, otherwise it will be a short list of new stuff on the roadmap.
Title: Re: New faction - Kingdom of Portugal
Post by: Viriathus on September 21, 2017, 11:35:10 am
If 4 guys repeat that very often makes it not more important. Devs told yesterday that they post an roadmap, so we will se what they think its important.

Peninsular campaign is indeed interesting, but a very specific terrain. After the game for now goes a very broad spectrum, it would be a shame change the direction and goes specific to an peninsular theme. A lot of diffrent factions, inclusive Portugal and Spain should be a target but that needs a lot of time for every faction. If the game selling good, we all have the chance to get our stuff in there, otherwise it will be a short list of new stuff on the roadmap.
The devs have said they will post a poll, on which factions to add next. Those who get the more votes are next, simple as that. These threads are just suggestions :)