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Offline Rejenorst

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Looking For French Bugle Call Sources
« on: December 30, 2017, 10:20:15 am »
Hi guys, I am currently looking for French Light Infantry or line infantry Bugle sheet or midi music. If anyone has any sources they can refer me to please post in this thread.
Currently I have access to British bugle calls but require French Infantry Bugle references.
Thank you for any assistance!

Bugle calls we are looking for should have been in use around 1809 - 1812

« Last Edit: December 30, 2017, 10:24:43 am by Rejenorst »

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Re: Looking For French Bugle Call Sources
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2018, 01:14:37 am »
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Re: Looking For French Bugle Call Sources
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2018, 03:13:06 am »
You are running into a problem here.
The french employed various different skirmishing drills during the war.

Some of them use their own horn signals, but we unfortunatly no longer have any sources available to tell what they sounded like. We only have a list of signals, but the notes are lost.

Some others we have a few remaining tracks, but not much by any means. I.e. useless for the game.

The Skirmishing drill employed by the corp under command of Davout:

7e, 13e, 15e & 33e régiment d'infanterie légère
12e, 17e, 21e, 25e, 30e, 33e, 48e, 57e, 61e, 85e, 108e & 111e régiment d'infanterie de ligne

used commonly known songs/signals as horn and drum signals. Note above, the 85e! which is in the game employed this skirmishing rill. Technically this drill is from 1811, so kinda late for the game, but I guess that does not matter much.

Movement                 Drums                               Horns
Déployement             La Breloque                       Déployement             
Ralliement                Aux Drapeaux                Ralliement             
Retraite                Retraite                       Retraite             
Marcher à droite        La Grenadière                Marche à droite             
Marche à gauche        Les trois coups de charge   Marche à gauche             
La Charge                La Charge                           La Charge             
Marche lente                Pas Ordinaire                Pas Ordinaire             
Marche précipitée       La Charge avec roulement  Marche précipitée             
S'arrêter                La Messe                        La Messe             

I am sure you will be able to find sheet music or tracks for some of these. You can probably look up the sheet music for most of them, since I am somehow 100% sure that they are still avaiable, but I don't know where exactly to start looking as I am not really intersted in light infantry stuff for bugles.

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Re: Looking For French Bugle Call Sources
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2018, 04:31:12 am »
No worries cheers for this I'll have a look for those.

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Re: Looking For French Bugle Call Sources
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2018, 08:30:23 pm »
These were shared on the discord by [42ndRoF] Captain Mundy:



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these are from the De Rottenburg manual which was the basis of British light infantry bugle calls which the 52nd and 95th made use of.


From Captain Thomas Cooper's light infantry manual of 1806
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he recommended that these bugle calls were a supplement to verbal orders



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these two are from Neil Campbell's "Instructions for Light Infantry and Riflemen" 1813

I believe he has more from the French side as well.

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Re: Looking For French Bugle Call Sources
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2018, 04:35:54 am »
aren't those the british one's i posted? To clarify i think Rejenorst needs French sheets.
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Re: Looking For French Bugle Call Sources
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2018, 08:35:55 am »
Yeah sorry was looking for French ones :) but appreciate it none-the-less thanks :)

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Re: Looking For French Bugle Call Sources
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2018, 09:32:43 am »
I have an idea how to get this sheets.

May be just send a letter to this guys?
http://www.conservatoiredeparis.fr/accueil/

They can have them or at least know something, where to find, like some kind of archieve or library. They indeed exist.

I'm historian by myself, no stranger to all this things, generaly people in such establishments eager to help, even if formal channels can be little bit slow. But perhaps we will need assistance of actual french community member to go faster.
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Re: Looking For French Bugle Call Sources
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2018, 09:33:22 am »
Sorry for double post. Technical issues.

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Re: Looking For French Bugle Call Sources
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2018, 01:14:43 am »
Has AGS found anything for the French yet?

If not, I'd take a look at some American calls from the 1820s-1830s as they were directly copied from the French with a few additions here and there.

http://tapsbugler.com/bugles-and-bugling-prior-to-the-civil-war/4/

http://tapsbugler.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/1835-Light-Infantry-Scott.pdf

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New calls based on the French (an assumption is made because some of the calls extant are found in French manuals)-are not introduced until 1825. And in the new 16 calls found in the 1825 manual, one call is introduced that still remains in today’s military-“Assembly.” The calls remain in service until a major revision of the Tactics Manual in 1835 by Scott.  The 1835 Scott’s Tactics, ordered into use April 10, 1835 includes 19 beats for drum and fife and 22 sounds for the bugle. These are all taken from the French with the exception of a new Tattoo which I refer to as the “1835” or “Scott’s Tattoo.” It is important to note that this is the basis of the call Taps that appears after 1862, first in performance, then written (as “Extinguish Lights”) then finally printed in US manuals as “Taps” in 1891.