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Title: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Lecourbe on September 25, 2017, 07:32:08 pm
Hello!

I've just an idea, and I'm quiet sure nobody talked about it.

My idea is to add, a custom skin for the units, different from the basic one, to represent the NCO's on the field. The player could select between a variety of NCO's. I was thinking about stripes, to distinguish them from the basic soldiers.
Actually, I'm speaking for the French, because I don't really know how the different ranks were managed in the British army.

For exemple, a picture that shows the different NCO ranks in the French army during the 1st Empire:

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1- Sergent - Major
2- Sergent
3- Caporal - Fourrier (One more strip than the basic Cpl, upper on the arm)
4- Caporal

With the new interface, we could add an option like "Playing the NCO" and a square the player has to tick to play the NCO class of the unit. (Sergeant, Corporal, or one the dev had chosen):
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/04/5/1516997944-test.png



EDIT: This was proposed by Caselius. He talks especially about the British ranks.

I've always wished for proper NCO class.

And what could also be interesting that they would get the ability to have the Spontoon for some nations in addition to the musket or ability to choose it separately from the class selection.

British rank system was pretty similar to the used nowadays, chevrons displaying the rank. Regiments however had their own styles on the type of the badge but ranks themselves were standard.

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Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Wallace on September 25, 2017, 08:12:49 pm
I like the idea just not sure how high the devs would put it on there to do list
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Lecourbe on September 25, 2017, 08:45:05 pm
I like the idea just not sure how high the devs would put it on there to do list

It's clearly not a priority, but it could be RP in Linebattle etc... :)
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Spunned on September 25, 2017, 08:46:04 pm
Not a priority but it would be really nice to see.

+1
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: huanmpth on September 25, 2017, 09:16:21 pm
Good idea but there are a lot of things to do before.
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Limbo on September 25, 2017, 10:40:57 pm
this thread had me thinking some very bad thoughts about rifle NCO's, and a Nock gun...
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Intel Guardian on September 25, 2017, 11:01:55 pm
I'd consider a proper system of ranks a higher priority than adding new nations at the moment.
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Poney on September 26, 2017, 10:02:49 am
>Caporals are NCOs

Yeah trust a swiss man to tell you about the french army ???
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Dark_Knight on September 26, 2017, 10:35:22 am
>Caporals are NCOs

Yeah trust a swiss man to tell you about the french army ???

corporals are not NCO's  :-X
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Lecourbe on September 26, 2017, 11:56:50 am
>Caporals are NCOs

Yeah trust a swiss man to tell you about the french army ???

corporals are not NCO's  :-X

Corporals were not considered as non commissioned officers, they were put in the same category with the soldiers.

But, I was talking about ranks in general, from "caporal" to "sergent - major".
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: DΛRKWΛVΣ on September 26, 2017, 02:51:08 pm
I agree, this would be nice.
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Harry26548 on September 26, 2017, 06:43:32 pm
+1 I would love to see this
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Caselius on September 26, 2017, 07:59:30 pm
I've always wished for proper NCO class.

And what could also be interesting that they would get the ability to have the Spontoon for some nations in addition to the musket or ability to choose it separately from the class selection.

British rank system was pretty similar to the used nowadays, chevrons displaying the rank. Regiments however had their own styles on the type of the badge but ranks themselves were standard.

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Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Harry26548 on September 26, 2017, 08:14:36 pm
I've always wished for proper NCO class.

And what could also be interesting that they would get the ability to have the Spontoon for some nations in addition to the musket or ability to choose it separately from the class selection.

British rank system was pretty similar to the used nowadays, chevrons displaying the rank. Regiments however had their own styles on the type of the badge but ranks themselves were standard.

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+1
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Lecourbe on September 26, 2017, 10:52:02 pm
I've always wished for proper NCO class.

And what could also be interesting that they would get the ability to have the Spontoon for some nations in addition to the musket or ability to choose it separately from the class selection.

British rank system was pretty similar to the used nowadays, chevrons displaying the rank. Regiments however had their own styles on the type of the badge but ranks themselves were standard.

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Thanks a lot for these info, it helps! I'll add them soon to the first post! :P

And, I agree with you for the Spontoon.
The Frenchies NCO's didn't use any other stuff than their musket to distinguish themself: they just had to turn their musket, canon pointing to the ground. So this could be the French version of the "spontoon ability" you told me. Just a question remind me, except for RP, how is useful to turn his musket to the ground..? ???
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: James Brock on September 27, 2017, 12:21:14 am
I've always wished for proper NCO class.

And what could also be interesting that they would get the ability to have the Spontoon for some nations in addition to the musket or ability to choose it separately from the class selection.

British rank system was pretty similar to the used nowadays, chevrons displaying the rank. Regiments however had their own styles on the type of the badge but ranks themselves were standard.

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Nice pics man, hard to find 'em these days.
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Spork on September 27, 2017, 04:37:43 am
I could see this being useful and relevant as an addition to the regiments/crews feature, where instead of a big long list of everyone and one leader, the leader gets to designate ranks to the soldiers in his regiment and those ranks are shown on the outfits in-game, or at the very least maybe an icon above or below the player's name when you look at them in-game.

It could also go the way of NW and North&South where there was a 'serjeant' unit who sometimes had slightly different equipment as well as a different look, but I think it would be a lot more easier for the devs and for players if the regiments/crews feature handled the rank distinctions, they wouldn't have to make whole new classes of units, just adding some slight changes to the uniforms to reflect rank. It could also serve to promote joining regiments, or at the very least starting small regiments with friends to get the ranks on their sleeves, which could then merge into bigger regiments if they wanted the full experience.

Actually, on the note of promoting joining big regiments as opposed to making small friend regiments, there could be player count requirements in order to give out in-game ranks: a regiment of 3 friends cannot have anyone higher than the rank of maybe corporal, and maybe you would need a total membership of 15 to be a captain, 25 to be major, etc. I mean people will still call themselves Colonel of the tiny 3 man line, but they won't have a spiffy in-game colonel's outfit (which should be really darn spiffy, yeah? Like engraved pistol and sword, huge peacock hat feathers level spiffy).
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Intel Guardian on September 27, 2017, 09:17:10 am
Nice pics man, hard to find 'em these days.

You can literally just look up 'napoleonic british ranks' on google images and it's the first result lol
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Caselius on September 27, 2017, 04:47:53 pm
You can literally just look up 'napoleonic british ranks' on google images and it's the first result lol

True, lazy bugger I am.

I got lots of links and information about the British organization and ranks, however most cover the complicated brevet, regimental and local ranks. (Bloody Majors being Brevet Colonels and proper Colonels being Generals  :D)

What goes for restricting the ranks of the regiments I would personally be against since there is a lot of kinds of regiments and people prefer different kinds depending on their style of play. Also what goes for ranks many regiments have different systems and they may use differing rank structures. There'll be always small regiments with 1 Colonel, 1 LtCol and 5 Serjeants but I would still be against having special classes restricted. And if going by full historical mode there will be huge oddities in the ranks such as the Colonels and what their position aside from Brevet Colonels was in the war.
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Tavi on September 30, 2017, 01:54:02 pm
I wonder if it would be possible to then in that case also add some additional officer classes too? We have the flag bearers which are Ensigns and the infantry officers - at least for the British looks like a Major - Colonel. If there was a junior officer class for Lieutenants and Captains that would certainly tick my box  ;D
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Intel Guardian on September 30, 2017, 02:41:12 pm
Just don't use the flag as ensign lol
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Marceaux on October 03, 2017, 05:44:56 pm
Yes we need more variation and choices with the units!
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Lecourbe on October 27, 2017, 10:23:04 am
Up!

People who would have suggestions about the topic, don't hesitate to answer!
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: RickReaper on October 28, 2017, 12:14:43 pm
I could see this being useful and relevant as an addition to the regiments/crews feature, where instead of a big long list of everyone and one leader, the leader gets to designate ranks to the soldiers in his regiment and those ranks are shown on the outfits in-game, or at the very least maybe an icon above or below the player's name when you look at them in-game.

It could also go the way of NW and North&South where there was a 'serjeant' unit who sometimes had slightly different equipment as well as a different look, but I think it would be a lot more easier for the devs and for players if the regiments/crews feature handled the rank distinctions, they wouldn't have to make whole new classes of units, just adding some slight changes to the uniforms to reflect rank. It could also serve to promote joining regiments, or at the very least starting small regiments with friends to get the ranks on their sleeves, which could then merge into bigger regiments if they wanted the full experience.

Actually, on the note of promoting joining big regiments as opposed to making small friend regiments, there could be player count requirements in order to give out in-game ranks: a regiment of 3 friends cannot have anyone higher than the rank of maybe corporal, and maybe you would need a total membership of 15 to be a captain, 25 to be major, etc. I mean people will still call themselves Colonel of the tiny 3 man line, but they won't have a spiffy in-game colonel's outfit (which should be really darn spiffy, yeah? Like engraved pistol and sword, huge peacock hat feathers level spiffy).
I really like that idea just  with one tweak, when forming a regiment no matter the size they should be allowed one officer rank 2nd Lieutenat or Ensign
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Faultier on October 28, 2017, 12:31:21 pm
A NCO on the battlefield would be useful, especially in Linebattles. Imagine the Officer of the Line dies and another one has to command it. It's better to have a different looking NCO instead of an normal Soldier.
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Lecourbe on October 30, 2017, 09:05:10 am
A NCO on the battlefield would be useful, especially in Linebattles. Imagine the Officer of the Line dies and another one has to command it. It's better to have a different looking NCO instead of an normal Soldier.

On a public server, I've seen a guy playing officer, and leading a huge line of soldiers. It was really cool, but unfortunately, the line was so big that when he was giving the orders, not all of the players could hear the orders.
This is especially the NCO's job! Repeating louder the orders.
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Cameron Bush on October 31, 2017, 09:59:36 pm
Good idea.
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Lecourbe on November 02, 2017, 08:29:49 am
Good idea.

Thanks! :)
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Lecourbe on January 10, 2018, 08:02:35 am
Up!

Add some suggestions/ideas if you have some :)
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Absol on January 12, 2018, 03:41:44 am
Can we have some rule against necro-posting please?
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Lecourbe on January 12, 2018, 08:08:56 am
Can we have some rule against necro-posting please?

no
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Jackson on January 12, 2018, 10:37:17 am
There are rules against necro posting. Consider this a warning.
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Cameron Bush on January 20, 2018, 03:02:06 pm
bump
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Intel Guardian on January 20, 2018, 05:52:18 pm
y tho
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Tinez on January 23, 2018, 03:15:39 pm
The idea is pretty good. I wouldn't add so many classes, just one random NCO class (Sergeant-like in the aspect) would be fine for every faction, probably.
Title: Re: What about NCO's ?
Post by: Jean-Baptiste on January 26, 2018, 09:48:26 pm
I would be just as happy if it were a random thing, kind of like the faces. Every now and again, someone would spawn with NCO ranks from whatever nation.